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The sickening side of health care (My Turn)


Since I’m not one to beat around the bush, I hate the idea of mandating health care.

The idea of mandating health care coverage is another step towards socialism, but with 45 million Americans without health insurance it’s a cherry of an issue ripe for political picking.

While universal health care sounds good, these mandates are at best forced charity and worse, will lead to another branch of government that threatens to leave taxpayers further out on a limb.

Have I mentioned the $9 trilllion debt?

Both Democrats and Republicans talk about smaller, less-intrusive government while they pass legislation that has the opposite effect.

Barack Obama’s plan mandates parents to provide coverage for their children while Hillary Clinton’s plan is all- inclusive. Basically, these mandates force people to buy health insurance, and if you don’t you’re forced to pay a hefty fine. Hillary went on to say that she’ll go “after their wages,” as if they don’t take enough already.

Yes, they can provide universal health care but it’s going to cost you. No need to thank us, just elect us.

I’m not exactly sure how we’re going to fine the poor and the homeless. Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone and just throw them in jail. I’m kidding.

Once this socialistic plan is in place, what incentive will businesses have to offer health insurance to their employees? Many companies are already dropping their plans and these mandates would likely encourage it even more.

Clinton believes that health care is a right and not a privilege. I thought it was a benefit.

In many instances, we’re being overcharged by the health care industry. If someone charges you $12 for one Band-Aid, they’ve obviously stuck it in the wrong place. Jacked-up prices lead to higher premiums and only perpetuate the vicious cycle.

As far as the sickening side of health care, I could tell you a story about an uncle who carried his niece into the emergency room only to be told to take her to another hospital. With no time to argue and no time to punch anyone, they headed for another hospital and fortunately found a little mercy.

I could tell you the story of a son whose sick mother was released from a hospital 3-1/2  hours away from home. I guess they didn’t want her dying there.

Even though he was no M.D., he felt it was necessary to drive 85 miles an hour all the way home. When they pulled up in front of her house, she said three words, “I can’t breathe.” Five minutes later he pulled right into the emergency bay and found a little mercy once again.

Once she was stabilized, the nurse came in and said, “Don’t worry, Flo, we’ll have you out of here real soon.” To which my best friend in the whole wide world replied, “preferably in an upright position.” How’s that for a sense of humor?

This same sweet woman who worked in a nursing home for more than 20 years was once threatened with being “written up” for bringing in her own box of Band-Aids because she thought a buck a Band-Aid was a bit much. She told them where they could put that pen — and it didn’t require a surgical operation.

She was also verbally reprimanded for not hurrying people along for breakfast because for her it wasn’t a numbers game, it was about treating people with patience and dignity.

Sadly, her job was becoming less about the human being and more about the bottom line.

This extraordinary woman had an uncanny knack for understanding the mumbled words of a fellow human being lying on their death bed. She was a woman who had the strength and gentleness to offer a tender goodbye while they quietly exited this world.

In my heart, I know people like her are the real heroes. In my mind, I know there are some greedy bastards in the world.

If politicians had any guts,  they’d attack the deeper issues of health care, like price gouging. If they had any sense, they’d use their oversight committees to look into these issues rather than just forcing taxpayers to pay for more of the same.

My dad use to say that whenever the government gets involved, you can bet they’re going to screw it up. That may seem cynical but it sure seems true.

When it comes to mandating health-care coverage, call me Dr. No. 

— Carl Grover is a welder at Curries and is proud of    his blue-collar heritage. He enjoys putting his opinions on paper. Write to Carl at Box 393, Mason City IA 50402-0393. My Turn is the work of community columnists and appears Fridays on this page.


 

 

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2001cougar wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:05 PM:

" I really find it disgusting at how much health care costs. I for one would actually like to get my hospital/clinical bills that really have the services that they provided listed when the bill comes in the mail. It usually just says labratory costs, never anything specific. Is it too hard for them to list what the heck I'm REALLY paying for? "

willing worker wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:30 PM:

" Actually, the two DEMOCRAT candidates are touting socialist programs but call themselves democrat. There is a Democratic Socialist Party, an American Communist Party, a Freedom Socialist Party, a National Socialist Party, and many others. Thing is, none get much press, they all have bad names. It is not up to our government to guarantee healthcare, tvs, trucks...it is the government's job to repel invasion, declare war and peace, set monetary policy, and so on. Ezekiel...just what is it you do for a living? I see many unfortunate "least of these" where I work too. Most, if they have been in that economic state any length of time, are in that financial state due to choices. We ALL have the freedom of choice. You seek to take that freedom from us. I does not 'take a village'...it takes personal responsibility and initiative. "

Arthur wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:29 PM:

" QUOTE:morebrainsthanIneed wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:48 PM: The only good socialist is a dead socialist. UNQUOTE

Both Democrat presidential nomination frontrunners advocate socialized medicine according to conservatives. Does anyone have the phone number of Homeland Security or the Secret Service? "

morebrainsthanIneed wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:48 PM:

"
Ezekiel... Give it a frigging rest with your socialistic views. And you actually use Wikipedia? Hell, anyone can post anything on that site. And I`m sure the unfortunate that have computers will thank you. Your compassion is overwhelming. And I know you know this, but it capitalism. Maybe your just trying to be a funny socialist. The only good socialist is a dead socialist. Take the few weeks off.

"

Ezekiel wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Bottom line: The majority of the posters here could care less about the unfortunate. You will be judged for that. My disgust at your lack of compassion is such that I considered taking several weeks off from this forum again to cool down. However, that would be too easy; the unfortunate need a voice, the voice of Compassionate Socialism and I will continue to post on their behalf. In the final result, you are tools of the rampant Kapitalist unrestrained machine that runs the country. Even Pope John Paul II was opposed to our form of unrestrained Kapitalism - go check it out in the Wikipedia. "

50423 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:43 PM:

" thelittleguy--that is exactly why the Welfare and Medicaid programs need to be "reformed". There is no reason why able bodied people can't work for their check as well as everyone else. Even some of the mentally challenged are able to work and it gives them a lot of pride. The ones that can't work are the only ones who should be getting the aid, and I'm not talking about any of the elderly here, just those able. "

KenS wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:19 PM:

" I am sorry but it is a segment of society. 72% of American people as estimated by the Census Bureau have Health Insurance coverage today. 14% are covered by Medicare.

This leaves 14% without commercial coverage, yet 11% were enrolled in Medicaid or SCHIP. That almost matches the number of families under the poverty level in the U.S.

Many (the estimate is 25% of that group) who are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP never apply for it. Is that a "vast majority"? (I do hope that is not an example of the education offered in Mason City.)

What really is telling is, despite over 60% of the people having commercial health care, the "Government" accounts for over 48% of the total health care expenditures in the U.S. In other words, the "Government" spends more to cover fewer people than commercial insurance companies or those self insured.

And we should trust them? "

Arthur wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:06 AM:

" People don't like the word "socialism". Perhaps if it was called "Help" or "Regulate" it would be OK. Is there a problem in "helping" business and farmers. People feel that it would be OK to "regulate" the health insurance companies so the doctors that work for them (not approved, no procedure) don't kill people. "Regulate" nursing homes, hospitals, etc.

When private industry is "regulated" it becomes controlled by government. The profits are the difference between cost and expenditure. Government agencies do not charge a profit where private companies provide a service at cost +.

Comparing the cost of a life necessity like health care to the purchase of a new truck... Like most things in life, things aren't black and white.

Single payer (read government) run health care is best. If you don't think that a certain level of that care is sufficient, politicians will listen especially at election time. Try to argue or excert pressure on an HMO or other private health plan and they will only calculate costs.

Do you want government to "Reform" Social Security, Medicare, Medicaide. These are all socialist programs. Don't like the term, then call it something else. How about an "entitlment".

Dictatorships are the true pure capitalist countries. The leaders own everything and the average person has no rights. No labor laws, minimum wages, no unions, no social security, etc, etc, etc.

A successful country must have a balance of capitalism and socialism, pretty much what we have now in the USA. There isn't a lot on concern about spending billions of dollars on a few airplanes. What if those billions could be spent on health care? A big outcry about socialism. Hmmmmm "

rhino59 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Ezekiel:

I can't afford a brand new truck like I want. Should the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT OF THE USA step in and give me one just because I want one?

I don't choose to buy an LCD Flat Panel TV with High-Definition because I don't think they are worth the money. Why doesn't the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT OF USA step in and produce them so they'll cost less (they will actually cost more, because my taxes will pay for the production facility, overhead, benefits, and employees that build them and are under-productive because they have no incentive).

I have just as much of a right to a free truck and a free TV as everyone does to free health care.

You need to take off your blinders and see that the Government is not a solution or an improvement. The only way to improve health care is to increase the competition and drive prices down. I'm paying way too many taxes already to subsidize a health care system that people will use and abuse because it is "free" to them.

"

just an opinion wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Actually Ezekiek I considered him a lot worst than a facist. That was only one example of his warped point's of view. The reason for that note was to show how anyone with whatever belief can go off the deep end. "

Ezekiel wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:24 AM:

" opinion:

Your boss was delusional; he was a FASCIST (like Adolf), not a Socialist.

little:

For every one person you can show me that cheats the system, I can show you 10 that are oppressed by the system.

Ken:

Its not a "segment" that can't afford medical insurance due to the cost, its THE VAST MAJORITY! I speak about what I see and know. You totally underestimate the magnitude of the problem.

bull:

Grover can't write. Specifically, he ran out a LOT of reasons/examples that CALL FOR Socialized medicine. That is an F in Freshman Composition. I should know, I had one once upon a time and it almost got me in 'Nam as the draft was in place at that time.

THE BOTTOM LINE here is that you folks either can't see or DON'T CARE to see all the poor/working poor around you. EVERY DAY I am with a diverse array of people who are just about indigent. I get blasted on here for my left wing economics posts, but I see what is happening. IF you do see what is going on, then WHY DON'T YOU CARE about the poor? Charity is great; Jesus commanded us to do charitable works. HOWEVER, it ain't enough! The Central Government of the USA needs to step in on behalf of the economically oppressed. "

just an opinion wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:50 AM:

" I had a boss who was a self proclaimed sociallist. His opinion on age was when you went to retire you should go in front of a board of important people like himself and if they decided you had no worth to the community you should be put to sleep. "

thelittleguy wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:13 AM:

" What a breath of fresh air. Another "deeper side the issue of health care" polititians should attack is the young women who have more than two babies because they know that it brings more welfare benifits. Most of the children are of differant dads. I have one mother like this living across the street from me. When her kids go to school she sits on her big behind. There is no reason she couldn't be working, other than she a makes better living on welfare. Dirty little secret is the government makes big money off these women. First off us taxpayers, than off the sperm donors, in the form of child support. So the politicians are in no hurry to reform. "

KenS wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:07 AM:

" Ezekiel, while indeed there is a segment of society who cannot afford health insurance, or are totally indigent, there are already programs to help them. Think Medicaid.

But thankfully, Medicaid is administered by the State, with regulations from the Federal Government. Overall however, it also is miserably structured and used as a political football.

Look what has become of Social Security? I dare say it is a miserable failure. Congress has played smoke and mirrors with it for decades.

THAT is what you will get with the "Central Government" controlling health care.

I am not sure about you, but I much perfer that our Government not take over such a large chunk of the Nations GDP. It spells disaster for private enterprise. "

Nobullplez wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Grover is one of the finest writers the Globe has every embraced. His style is a much needed shout of encouragement for those that for so long have needed a voice.... "

Ezekiel wrote on Mar 1, 2008 4:22 PM:

" I am seeing reason after reason prented FOR socialized medicine,even from those folks opposed to it. When will you wise up and see that Central Government control is the only way that a LOT of people will get AT LEAST SOME medical care? The present situation with millions completely not covered, is an abomination. You poor/semi-poor folks that are hating on socialized medicine, what has George Bush and unrestrained capitalism (which even the Pope is opposed to) done for you? Seismic change is what is needed as the reason most uninsured folks lack medical insurance is because THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT UNDER THE STATUS QUO!!!!!!!!!!! "

MickeyDD wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:53 AM:

" I paid into Social Security system for 52 years... gee you would think this old "Grey Panther" would deserve something back... hummmm darn these old people putting a drain on others.. Abuse by the medical system has increased the cost of medical care, but they are going broke. Retired doctors are far better off than the average retired person. Government has had years to correct the abuses of the medicare system and has not fixed it. So what gives us cause to think it will get better with some of those people elected to office for years fixing things now?

GREAT COMMENTS EVERYONE "

50423 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Until there is Medicare reform we don't have a prayer when the government is in charge of our medical lives. There is a huge amount of abuse , both in Medicare and Medicaid. not only by the patients themselves but also by the doctors. Pushing pills and tests that are not needed,raise everyones bills. It would be great to hear of a doctor that would tell his or her patient to lose weight and exercise, get off the high fat and sugar foods or your going to die or shorten your life by x number of years. If people would stop and think"would I be going to the doctor if I had to pay for this myself", Bet that would make a few people stop and think.It sure does me! "

Liberty wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:24 AM:

" The world doesn't want our manufacturing. That era is over. The world is hungry for our ideas, our innovations. The world wants our medicine, our music and our movies. A nation that feeds, heals and entertains the world is something that I can live with and be proud of. "

buffy704 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Has any body figured out yet that the main reason people don't have health care is that health insurance companies will not take any one(young or old) who has a med problem???? It use to be that they would put a rider on the policy for one year if there was a previous med problem--not any more. I was working three part time jobs-because thats all that I could find at the time. I applied to all of the different health insurance companies in my state -which was four- and was turned down by every one of them because I had heart problems. It seemed I was healthy enough to work 60 hours a week but not good enough to be insured. I went on the states insurance for people that can't get insurance any place else. I paid $570 a month for my insurance that covered very little. Before you start playing the question and answer games you need to look at the whole picture. Politicians will never tackle health care as its big money talking to more big money. The things that Hillary says make sense-like it or not-its better than no health ins at all. "

rhino59 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 8:34 AM:

" Foxy - you're right, we need to be more competitive with manufacturing. If we could get the government to reform the tax laws to eliminate corporate taxes and go to a fair tax, we might still have some of those manufacturing jobs here.

www.fairtax.org "

foxy50 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 8:32 AM:

" I believe you need to bring those jobs that got sent to China over seas back here and those jobs will produce company health insurance. This way I can stop checking the labels to see if they are coming from over seas or not. I'm not buying China labels any more so why not produce toys here! "

rhino59 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 6:54 AM:

" PS - Carl, your employer is lucky to have you. You've got a lot of common sense - and that's not very common anymore! "

rhino59 wrote on Mar 1, 2008 6:52 AM:

" All you people in favor of a socialized health care system are idiots - you think the Government is going to do some awesome job of providing for you? WRONG! They will take our tax money - and WASTE it. Look at Social Security - boy, they're doing a great job with that one, aren't they? The government has bankrup that program and funds that were supposed to be there have been spent on other pet projects to buy votes and keep them in office.

Pull your heads out of the sand, stop drinking the Kool Aid, and take care of yourself. Depending on the government to take care of all your needs IS the definition of socialism.

We don't need government health care, we need more competition to keep prices lower and we need the lawyers and malpractice suits to be controlled. "

KenS wrote on Mar 1, 2008 12:20 AM:

" I don't think you understood CT. The system is broken because of liability, not lack of health care. We have more than enough to go around. How to make it affordable again, is the solution. Some have suggested tort reform. That is a political hot potato.

I am more in favor of reducing costs, not increasing them. Socialized Health Care will only increase costs, and not improve availability. Remember, we have plenty.

"

Archer wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:05 PM:

" The bottom line is no matter what type of system we have there will always be those that abuse it and freeload from it. If you are responsible and provide insurance for you and those that depend on you, you will pay for those that do not. Either in higher premiums or higher bills from the providers (maybe even both). I do not think we are to the point of If you can't pay you don't get care yet but it might be what it takes to solve the problems. I know of people who make good money (50,000 per year or more) and do not have insurance, they cant afford it they say, I say how can they not? I guess they will get the care they need anyway so why have insurance? ahgggggggg!!!!!!! "

CTBritt wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:40 PM:

" Strange, every industrialized country in the world save the United States has Universal Health Coverage for everyone of their citizens. Many of the arguments I've seen hear remind of the old TV ad ran by the insurance industry way back when. KenS, your comment "Socialized medicine? It would not fix the problems, only cause more. " Says who? You? The insurance industry? The Hospitals? Certainly not the majority of the Doctors. Seniors have [gasp] "socialized medicine". Try to take Medicare away from seniors and you'll see Grey Panthers coming out of the rest homes with pitchforks, buckets of tar, barrels of feathers and carrying rails for the tarred and feathered scoundrels to ride out of town on. "

KenS wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:48 PM:

" Carl is correct, it is the skyrocketing cost of health care that is driving so many problems of self-pay and employers dropping coverage.

Liability and the insurance costs involved, technology, increased education, are just some of the areas where costs have jumped faster than most wages. And actually, all of them are tied together.

The Doc carries insurance because now a days, he needs to. He orders more and expensive tests so that he will not have to use that insurance, driving it's cost higher. His or her schooling requires a lot more time and subject matter so as to make better diagnoses.

The costs have become so high, that a single person practice is almost unheard of today. They tried Doc in a Box (HMO's) to reduce costs. They were a miserable failure from a patients standpoint.

I find also that the attitude of using the ER as a personal Dr.'s Office is also increasing the cost of care. The trend now a days is for Insurance companies to monetarily penalize someone who uses and ER instead of waiting til regular office hours for non-threatening illness. Of course if you are admitted, then there is no penalty.

While cost wise, there is no competition in Mason City, or most of Iowa, I think on an average the costs are "in the ballpark" my daughter told me.

Socialized medicine? It would not fix the problems, only cause more. "

morebrainsthanIneed wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Now another lib, socialist, whatever we call them, wants more taxpayer money. It ain`t your precious governments`t money. Ever heard of taxpayers. Yur neighbors? "

willing worker wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Ezekiel...Healthcare is not a right. Can you show me where in the Constitution it says I am guaranteed the RIGHT to healthcare? It would be nice if everyone had acess to quality healthcare. It would also be nice if everybody got up and went to work every day. Not only went to work, but worke to their potential. You know...gave an honest day's work for an honest day's wage. Just as it would be nice if every employer paid an honest day's wage for an honest day's work. But then we would have to expect everybody to be HONEST then wouldn't we. Not much chance of that is there. But don't try to force me to pay for the guy that won't support himself. That is theft of my reources and I will object strongly. "

Ezekiel wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:17 PM:

" All I can say is that CTBritt is as dead on right as one can possibly be!! I will add only one more thing: In a civilized society, adequate health care is A RIGHT!!! We need to Nationalize health care and the oil industry RIGHT AWAY!! The status quo ISN'T WORKING!! Mr. Grover, you pride your self on being part of the working class; you DO THE WORKERS NO FAVOR with an utterly misguided editorial like this one! "

kauls worst nightmare wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:36 PM:

" JB, you were so close to getting to the heart of the matter. Only $12 for $250k of coverage, not a bad deal. I liken it to having to have extra healthcare coverage in case some mall-lurking knuckle dragger coughs their disease ridden sputem all over me and I end up with pnuemonia! Just think how much that extra $250k of coverage would cost you if all the auto repair shops were reimbursed for their parts and labor by the D.O.T.! Servicing your tailpipe with a smile! "

Billy Raymond wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Travel to Canada and see what has happen to their "socialized medicine program". Maybe that's why their gasoline equates to nearly $8.50 a gallon. Somebody has to pay the piper and that is a result of any "mandated health care". "

CTBritt wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Carl, you raise many valid points, most of which are arguments for Universal Health Coverage. I find it disappointing that you choose to use the phrase Socialism [gasp] in an attempt to prove your argument. Most people don't even know what the hell it means other than "IT'S BAD". We have Universal Health Care in our country, we call it Medicare. It was working very well until the Insurance Industry decided they weren't getting their slice of the pie. They persuaded i.e. bought a Republican controlled Congress and White House to pass legislation that permitted them to administer the program. Since then the costs have sky rocketed. Let's just stop the foolishness and expand MediCare to cover everyone and kick the Insurer's out of the Temple. "

JB Johnson of Britt wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:41 AM:

" If car insurance is mandated in Iowa why do I have to carry uninsured and under insured? A word of advice. Contract your insurance agent and have them increase your limits for those items so if you get hit by those who aren’t following the mandate you are well covered. For me it was only 12 bucks for $250,000 coverage.
That insurance mandate is working real well. "

al wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:21 AM:

" I'm sure, Carl, that you are covered under the health plan where you work. And, unlike a person who has to pay for their own, yours is tax free while the person who pays gets no benefit other than being able to receive health care. I too, however; don't agree with mandating health insurance...but in the same sense I don't want someone crying to me they can't get health care coverage after they have a serious health problem and cannot find an insurance company that will cover them. "

Mongoose wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:10 AM:

" You hit the nail on the head, Carl. Excellent letter. "

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